tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post7046167392001533938..comments2023-10-14T09:10:49.902-07:00Comments on Common Sense Agriculture, Conservation and Energy: Carbon Taxing FoodChris McClure aka Panhandle Poethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18276465051258888541noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-82304757280585323432008-12-09T13:05:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:05:00.000-08:00I draw "the line" on sentience. That the being kn...I draw "the line" on sentience. That the being knows and cares it's alive - Through your own sarcastic "plant killer" remark I'm sure you acknowledge the lack of sentience in a carrot. And there's no conclusive evidence yet that insects fit within the scope of self interest - but while the verdict is out - I'll err to the side of compassion and avoid harming them when I can...<BR/><BR/>And if Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-46387530134795002192008-12-09T12:58:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:58:00.000-08:00Hi, My name is Lara Glew. I've just visited your w...Hi, <BR/><BR/>My name is Lara Glew. I've just visited your website and I was wondering if you'd be <BR/><BR/>interested in exchanging links with my website. I can offer you a home page link back from <BR/><BR/>my Recycling website which would be (http://www.lara-glew.com) with Page Rank 3.<BR/><BR/>Your link will be placed here:<BR/>http://www.lara-glew.com (It`s a recycling website with PR3)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-8615270102398205112008-12-09T11:18:00.000-08:002008-12-09T11:18:00.000-08:00Bea,I'm impressed at how thoroughly indoctrinated ...Bea,<BR/>I'm impressed at how thoroughly indoctrinated you seem to be! What might the human population of this "ideal" world that you envision be?<BR/><BR/>I like the idea of vertical hydroponic farms. There are links to various articles about them within this blog. (sorry, I don't have time to hunt them all up right now) <BR/><BR/>As to the barges -- pretty far-fetched although I have seen Chris McClure aka Panhandle Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18276465051258888541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-54398183340563834522008-12-09T09:56:00.000-08:002008-12-09T09:56:00.000-08:00Consumer preference is either directed (or mis-dir...Consumer preference is either directed (or mis-directed) according to marketing and economics. Indeed the very word "cattle" means cash - animals are "commodities" and are advertised as such removing all the negative implications from their use.<BR/><BR/>Environmentally speaking - the U.N.'s report "Livestock's Long Shadow" will bear these findings out concerning water use:Livestock production<Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-71063403288917632332008-12-09T08:20:00.000-08:002008-12-09T08:20:00.000-08:00Bea,You bring up a valid point -- we feed corn, so...Bea,<BR/>You bring up a valid point -- we feed corn, soybean and other grain products to animals. The issue is highly complex and simplistic solutions don't work well.<BR/><BR/>Some of the issues: 1) consumer preference for animal proteins 2) utilization of marginal land for livestock 3) profitability (i.e. survivability) of farming (vegetable or any other kind) 4) ethanol production - Chris McClure aka Panhandle Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18276465051258888541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-64511683062074538732008-12-09T07:49:00.000-08:002008-12-09T07:49:00.000-08:00And what are we feeding animals? Corn, soy and gr...And what are we feeding animals? Corn, soy and grain... Animal agriculture is just an inefficient middle-man. Cut this one step out - feed 6 times as many people with a third the pesticides and fuel. Oh... and you'd also cut out the consumption of all the pharmacuticals that go into animal "food" as well.Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-38519631009980708692008-12-09T07:32:00.000-08:002008-12-09T07:32:00.000-08:00Bea,I am mad. My parents must have been hiding al...Bea,<BR/><BR/>I am mad. My parents must have been hiding all this money they got from the government the whole time I was growing up. They must of just worked sun up to sun down and sometimes throughout the night just for the sheer enjoyment. Thanks for your shining endosement for veganism, but I think I'll stick to eating vegans, mainly cows. Have you ever thought about how much fuel and Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03631422895737547725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-9173103956487938532008-12-08T20:29:00.000-08:002008-12-08T20:29:00.000-08:00Livestock producers get "subsidies" in round-about...Livestock producers get "subsidies" in round-about ways... Like the money that is "granted" for animal agriculture "studies". Like the land grants for grazing... like the EPA's non-enforcement of pollution standards... Like advertisements by the Dairy Council in school cafetarias. <BR/><BR/>And let's not forget that the US government is the biggest consumer of *meat* products through it's Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-42515592547904562032008-12-08T17:48:00.000-08:002008-12-08T17:48:00.000-08:00Bea,You seem to be confused, livestock producers d...Bea,<BR/>You seem to be confused, livestock producers don't get subsidies, farmers do -- you know, the one's planting vegan-tables.Chris McClure aka Panhandle Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18276465051258888541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-68929002091565699522008-12-08T15:18:00.000-08:002008-12-08T15:18:00.000-08:00OR... we could stop subsidizing the meat industrie...OR... we could stop subsidizing the meat industries and instead give more support to clean food producers. It would be better for our air quality and better for health. Meat industries have been subsidized for a century - time to move on to the next and be Vegan.Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-616608771679239922008-12-08T13:32:00.000-08:002008-12-08T13:32:00.000-08:00So now along with the money livestock producers ar...So now along with the money livestock producers are having fork out to implement nutrient and waste management systems, they will have to pay a penalty because the animals "emit gas"? So in turn the price to produce goods (not just meat) increases then gets replaced by imported foodstuffs produced cheaper by countries with more lax rules and no concern about what goes into the final product? Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03631422895737547725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-25313486888740575092008-12-08T07:01:00.000-08:002008-12-08T07:01:00.000-08:00No matter if you believe in evolution or creation,...No matter if you believe in evolution or creation, it sees obvious to me that we are designed to eat meat in some quantities. Maybe this will be the next wave of the government trying to make us "healthier". Part of me thinks, "there is no way this would ever happen", but the other part of me will not be too surprised if it does.Jacob Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707110216173861320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9061072377105493064.post-6557391179731226812008-12-06T19:24:00.000-08:002008-12-06T19:24:00.000-08:00There's an excellent way to obtain 6 times more pr...There's an excellent way to obtain 6 times more protein on the same amount of vegetation through a plant based diet. Shifting toward this healthier and more sustainable food would reduce negative environmental impacts as a result of "livestock".Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.com